The Scientist's View

5.24.2007

Comment about Falwell's death

A comment from my blog about Jerry Falwell's death:


Anonymous said...

What makes gays any better than Fred Phelps terrorizing gay funerals, etc. when they behave this way over Falwell's death?


I am an unabashed liberal. Not the new pansy-ish sort of liberal (e.g. John Kerry, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, etc) but I am proud to say that I am an old-school liberal. Think FDR and Harry Truman merged together and you got my idea of liberalism.

Inherent in that sort of liberalism is a strong populist streak. Which Jerry Falwell had in mind with his Moral Majority. And Jerry Falwell elevated Populism for his own devious purposes.

Sidenote: I just wish that Hell actually did exist so Jerry Falwell could be there with his fat ass popping and crackling in the fire.

My problem with the comment is that Fred Phelps is largely irrelevant in the political scene - he is a side show freak and nothing more in terms of the politic of today (or yesterday for that matter). However Jerry Falwell had political power. (Witness that CNN virtually STOPPED coverage of anything else when it was announced that Jerry Falwell died.) Not only did Jerry Falwell have the power but he USED it. He, and his minions, forced a secular Republican party into difficult conservative moral positions that have populist appeal but make America the pariah of the Western world. Let's think about a few of those:

1. Jerry Falwell was definitely a pro-lifer. Strong advocate that no person should be having an abortion (note supporting quote)

This is probably as bad a day as the court has had on social issues since "Roe v Wade."


And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."


HOWEVER, I do not recall Jerry Falwell speaking out about the fact that PREGNANT WOMEN SMOKE. If you are so worried about the fetus, then send any woman to jail who smokes while pregnant.

2. Jerry Falwell had no tolerance for those who are not evangelical (note supporting quote):

If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being.

That just speaks for itself.

3. Jerry Falwell used gay issues for his own agenda.

AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.


Now I am going to focus on this last quote specifically when thinking about how Fred Phelps and Jerry Falwell are different. In the quote in the third point, just substitute "Jew" or "Negro" and you can see what type of Populism Jerry Falwell was preaching. AND HE WAS A FUCKING CHRISTIAN!!! Jerry Falwell used AIDS as a mark of god's judgement on our society for his own populist political ends. He used people (in the 1980s) who were being digested slowly by bacteria and fungi and covered in lesions to make a political point. These people who were already condemned to a horrible death now became a political prop for Jerry Falwell's populism.

Did Jerry Falwell show any compassion, as Christ would have, for these poor souls?

NO - Jerry Falwell used AIDS sufferers as a way to get more votes, hence, more power. Think about this, you have tens of thousands of young men dying in the 1980s and you cannot get the President to even say the word AIDS until 1987. Part of that is due to Jerry Falwell's socially conservative presence in Republican circles. This man was part of a fundamental shift that took conservatives from a secular, anti-government mindset of Barry Goldwater and pushed them into a Christian populist and activist mold.

Few people today have full-blown AIDS. But if you were to go back to the late 1980s and early 1990s and met a person with full blown AIDS, you would be looking at someone who is marked for a excrutiatingly painful death. And the government, with Jerry Falwell's political power, made sure that these people got NO help. None. Zip. Zero. These AIDS suffers got to die with a coating of fungus all down their throat. They died from sepsis. They went blind and suffered dementia. They were the exact sort of person that Christ showed compassion for. But not Jerry. Nope, in his actions he showed that compassion is for pussies.

Fred Phelps is just a warm up for witnessing the true evil that Jerry Falwell embodied because Fred Phelps is protesting people who are already dead. Jerry Falwell, by his political activities, is complicit in the murder of tens of thousands of Americans who had AIDS.

I had a celebratory drink when I found out that Jerry Falwell was dead. He was a horrible human being and a total waste of flesh. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

7 Comments:

At 8:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm so tired of this "being happy Jerry Falwell is dead makes you just as bad as he was" line of argument. It is logically flawed.

Gays (and others) disliked Falwell (and Phelps) for specific things he DID. Falwell targeted gays (and others) because of who they WERE. Falwell did not have any personal problem with individual homosexuals (as this would require, you know, talking to one). He hated us as a class. Hating and persecuting an entire class of people is ugly prejudice and antithetical not only to our national values, but human values. Disliking an individual who does such a thing is NOT NOT NOT the equivalent, so stop equating my well-earned, act-based dislike of Jerry Falwell with his blind, blanket hatred of homosexuals!

Having helped you make an ethical and linguistic distinction between “dislike” (what I feel towards an individual for specific reasons) and “prejudice” (antipathy towards an entire class of people based on information not related to any specific member of said class), allow me to address the morality of schadenfreude over the death of an unabashed prejudice pusher.

First, a Christian-based argument. The Bible claims to be a guideline for moral action. It clearly calls for us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Nothing violates this directive as flagrantly as prejudice. Therefore, prejudice is sinful. The Bible also requires Christians to resist evil and sin. In fact, we have the Bible and moral reasoning for just this purpose: to identify and resist. If we do not have this ability and obligation, then Jerry should have STFU long, long ago. So, Jerry was prejudiced. Therefore Jerry was a big sinner. Christians are compelled to oppose sin. Therefore Christians should oppose Jerry.

When Christians triumph over sin, why should the appropriate reaction not be happiness? It is a victory for God! Was Jesus remorseful or sad when he threw the moneychangers out of the Temple? No. To suggest that we shouldn’t be happy over the defeat of sin suggests a lukewarm commitment to righteousness, and I think we all know how Jesus feels about lukewarm.

Now, an argument not based on hogwash. Prejudice is wrong. Not because the Bible says so, but just because it is (a secular justification being outside the scope of a blog comment that is already ballooning). What would it say if we weren’t happy in the defeat of something wrong? If we were complacent or indifferent towards the hinderance of evil, what would that say about us? The man was wrong and his agenda undermined human dignity and American democracy. If you are indifferent or complacent about either of these things and don’t feel joy when their attackers are thwarted, then I question your ethics. Period.

 
At 5:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many of the people commenting, with venom, about Falwell's death, also make a point of stating that there is no God or Hell etc.

I think it is 'logically flawed' to give a shit that someone stated 'AIDS is God's punishment for Gays' if you don't even believe there is a god.

It just seems that the Tolerance Preaching Liberals are the most intolerant group.

You recommend substituting "Jew" or "Negro" in place of "Gays", try the same substitution for some of the liberal comments about Christians.

It is fine to disagree with someones opinion but Liberals show their true violent, vicious and intolerant colors when it comes to Christianity.


It's as if Christianity is the last Politically Correct target for hate, prejudice and discrimination.

This type of hatred is what I was comparing to Fred Phelps, regardless of how irrelevent he is. Liberals accept that type of behaviour when the tables are turned.

 
At 7:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another angle is that Falwell was one of the Founders of Jesus Christ, Inc in America. (Putting aside the Catholic church of course). Who can forget Pass The Loot Ministries!

The $20M extension of his Thomas Road Baptist Church is being paid for by the demonization of of a rather long list of groups.

 
At 10:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As already pointed out, many liberals do believe in God, so the AIDS statement is offensive to many for that reason. Nevertheless, even atheists have a very logical reason for being offended because the statement reveals the intentions/beliefs/values of the speaker. If someone tells me "I hope a unicorn tramples you to death," it is logical that I be offended because you are wishing me dead, even if your actual proposition is absurd. In fact, "not true but nevertheless deeply offensive" describes pretty much all prejudicial speak.

Again, "liberals" tend to be intolerant of specific actions or policies whereas Christian organizations have developed a tendency to target entire groups of people. Liberals never once advocated the idea that "everyone should do what they want, everything is acceptable." We just think people should EARN our intolerance first.

 
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